Legislature(2007 - 2008)Anch LIO Conf Rm

07/27/2007 10:00 AM House HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES


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10:06:42 AM Start
10:07:08 AM Presentations on Alaska's Unininsured
01:34:18 PM HB140
02:15:38 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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Presentations on Alaska's Uninsured
HB 140-MEDICAL ASSISTANCE ELIGIBILITY                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:34:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON announced that the  final order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 140 "An  Act expanding medical assistance coverage                                                               
for  eligible  children  and pregnant  women;  relating  to  cost                                                               
sharing  for  certain  recipients   of  medical  assistance;  and                                                               
providing  for  an  effective  date."    [Although  not  formally                                                               
scheduled/noticed, the committee discussed HB 140.]                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:35:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LES  GARA, Alaska State Legislature,  as a sponsor                                                               
of the  bill, presented HB 140.   He informed the  committee that                                                               
universal health coverage for everybody  is a difficult, complex,                                                               
and costly  issue for debate.   However,  the sponsors of  HB 140                                                               
realized that,  in the meantime,  universal health care  could be                                                               
provided for  kids for very little  money.  The fiscal  notes for                                                               
HB 140 indicate that, depending  on how much families are charged                                                               
to  buy into  children's  health care,  the income  qualification                                                               
level, and  the costs through Denali  Kid Care, the cost  will be                                                               
between $2  million and  $5 million.   Representative  Gara noted                                                               
that this  is a simple  bill, complicated  only by the  fact that                                                               
Congress  is debating  the reauthorization  of the  federal State                                                               
Children's  Health Insurance  Program  (SCHIP) that  pays for  70                                                               
percent of Denali  Kid Care (DKC).  He expressed  his belief that                                                               
the federal program will be continued.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:37:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA explained  that DKC  insures parents  who do                                                               
not work and  working families who earn up to  174 percent of the                                                               
federal poverty level (FPL).  Thus,  HB 140 is only about working                                                               
families who do not get health  insurance at work and who can not                                                               
afford private insurance.  For  example, a single parent with one                                                               
child  who earns  about $28,000  per year,  does not  qualify for                                                               
DKC.   He  acknowledged  that the  number  of uninsured  children                                                               
could be as high as 22,000,  but 8,000 of those children may have                                                               
some coverage  through IHC; therefore,  the sponsors  assume that                                                               
approximately  12,000  to  15,000 children  of  working  families                                                               
remain  uninsured.     Representative   Gara  pointed   out  that                                                               
approximately 50 percent of Alaska  employers do not offer health                                                               
insurance; in fact,  most businesses with less  than 25 employees                                                               
do not offer coverage.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROSES  asked  whether the  calculations  for  the                                                               
bill's fiscal  notes are  based on  22,000, or  12,000, uninsured                                                               
children.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA answered that these  numbers will not be used                                                               
for  any calculations  in this  presentation  and clarified  that                                                               
12,000  children are  known to  be  uninsured.   He continued  to                                                               
explain that  studies have shown that  uninsured children receive                                                               
less  preventive care  and fewer  physicals and  are treated  for                                                               
more  acute  care, later  in  illness.   In  addition,  uninsured                                                               
children  are more  likely to  develop  serious dental  problems,                                                               
asthma,  diabetes, and  are four  times  more likely  to use  the                                                               
emergency  room.   In fact,  uninsured kids  are 25  percent more                                                               
likely to  miss school.   Hospitals  in Anchorage  estimated that                                                               
they provided  $89 million  in uncompensated  care in  2004; this                                                               
cost  was  passed  along  to   co-payers.    Representative  Gara                                                               
recalled  that there  was an  appropriation  to reimburse  Alaska                                                               
hospitals for some of their losses.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:42:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GARA  called   the   committee's  attention   to                                                               
solutions  from  other  states.    Eight  other  states  leverage                                                               
federal  money from  SCHIP and  cover children  of families  that                                                               
earn up to  300 percent of the FPL.   Forty states provide health                                                               
insurance to families  earning up to 200 percent of  the FPL.  He                                                               
pointed out that Virginia, New  York, and Washington provide free                                                               
coverage  up to  a certain  income level,  and then  let families                                                               
above that level buy coverage.   This plan keeps the state's cost                                                               
very low.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:44:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER asked whether there  is a federal limit to                                                               
a family's income level.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA answered  that  there is  not.   Right  now,                                                               
Congress appropriates  a certain amount  of money to  each state;                                                               
some states  put caps on  the qualifying income level  to prevent                                                               
overspending their  allotment.   Congress is debating  whether to                                                               
cap the family  income level on the basis that  states should not                                                               
provide  health  care to  families  who  can afford  to  purchase                                                               
private insurance.   According to the U. S.  Department of Health                                                               
and  Human  Services,  the federal  government  pays  roughly  70                                                               
percent of the  cost of DKC insurance; the state  share per child                                                               
is $420  per year.   HB 140  proposes that families  buy in  on a                                                               
sliding  scale  with  the  income  limits  set  by  policy.    In                                                               
addition,  Representative Gara  explained,  the  bill proposes  a                                                               
sliding  scale that  could go  up to  the state's  full cost  for                                                               
families with higher incomes.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:48:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA informed  the  committee that  HB 140  gives                                                               
DHSS  the flexibility  to charge  families  an acceptable  amount                                                               
that  also maintains  federal eligibility.   The  federal law  is                                                               
unclear  on the  acceptable co-pay  and the  bill allows  DHSS to                                                               
negotiate  with the  federal government  to  protect the  federal                                                               
SCHIP contribution  of 70 percent of  the cost.  He  warned that,                                                               
if  SCHIP  rules are  violated,  or  the  state program  is  non-                                                               
qualifying,  the state  will  only receive  a  50 percent  match.                                                               
Currently the  cost per policy  averages $1,387 and $420  of that                                                               
is  the state  match.   However,  if higher  income families  are                                                               
allowed to buy  in, DHSS assumes that children  with higher needs                                                               
will be covered and the cost of each policy will double.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:50:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER asked  whether  the  inclusion of  higher                                                               
income families will result in the loss of the federal match.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA responded  that  the  federal allocation  is                                                               
based upon the  expansiveness of the state's plan  and that other                                                               
states have  been approved for  universal health care.   However,                                                               
the  federal regulations  will  change in  September,  2007.   In                                                               
response to  a question from  Chair Wilson,   Representative Gara                                                               
said that the state can wait  until the new regulations are known                                                               
to finalize its plan.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:52:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROSES  relayed that  he  attended  a health  care                                                               
conference in  Chicago in April;  presenters there  warned states                                                               
not to expand SCHIP until after the new regulations are issued.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA expressed  his understanding  that expansion                                                               
referred to the federal program and not to state's programs.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES  explained that  speakers at  the conference                                                               
indicated  that  the  expansion  of  state's  programs  would  be                                                               
disapproved.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA disagreed.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROSES  said, "They  were  using  those states  as                                                               
examples when they talked about  what they meant by expanding the                                                               
program."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  asked whether an  estimate of those who  might drop                                                               
private insurance is factored in.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA replied that the  sponsors have prepared a CS                                                               
that includes  a qualification to  require families to  use their                                                               
employer  based insurance,  if  available.   This  will keep  the                                                               
costs down and prevent this problem.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROSES  asked  whether  there  has  been  a  legal                                                               
opinion on this qualification.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA  said  no.     He  noted  that  the  federal                                                               
government would have to define  this restriction and approve its                                                               
purpose.  He gave several  examples of restrictions that could be                                                               
included in the bill.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:58:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA stated  that there  is a  provision by  some                                                               
states that requires  an applicant to certify that  they have not                                                               
had insurance at  work within the last six or  nine months.  This                                                               
will prevent families from dropping  employer based coverage.  He                                                               
continued  to  say  that  DHSS   can  negotiate  regulations  for                                                               
coverage and  that a  portion of  Sec. 3 of  the bill  will cover                                                               
that intention.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:59:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GARA  stated   that   it   is  the   committee's                                                               
responsibility  to  set  the  level at  which  families  can  buy                                                               
coverage.   He suggested that  Senator Wielechowski's  version of                                                               
the bill,  that sets a limit  of family income at  175 percent of                                                               
the FPL,  is appropriate.   In addition, the committee  will need                                                               
to set policy to allow,  or disallow, families with higher income                                                               
levels  to  purchase  coverage  and  at what  premium.    HB  140                                                               
proposes  a cap  of  300 percent  of  the FPL:    a middle  class                                                               
income.    Research indicates  that  private  insurance can  cost                                                               
around $3,000  per child, and $7,000  for a family of  three.  In                                                               
response  to a  question from  Chair Wilson,  Representative Gara                                                               
said that Premera Blue Cross offers  a plan that will just insure                                                               
the children  in a family.   Representative Gara gave  an example                                                               
of the federal  poverty line scale: for a single  parent with one                                                               
child, 175 percent  of the FPL is $35,000 per  year; for a single                                                               
parent with  one child,  300 percent  of the  FPL is  $50,000 per                                                               
year.  He  pointed out that families at the  poverty level do not                                                               
pay  income  taxes; however,  families  with  higher incomes  do.                                                               
Representative Gara concluded by saying  that the fiscal notes on                                                               
HB 140  are between $2 million  and $5 million, depending  on the                                                               
expansion of coverage.  He opined  that this is the first step to                                                               
universal health  care and is  a worthwhile investment  that will                                                               
assist  a substantial  portion  of the  population  that can  not                                                               
afford insurance in Alaska.   This expense is more important than                                                               
some other funding requests and he urged that it be funded.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:04:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA reviewed the  policy decisions needed for the                                                               
bill:   the qualification of  families that can get  insurance at                                                               
work,  the  qualification  income   levels,  and  the  amount  of                                                               
premiums charged to families that  wish to purchase coverage.  He                                                               
encouraged the  committee to also  look at the senate  version of                                                               
the  bill,  and  concluded  that  this  legislation  is  an  easy                                                               
solution.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON announced  that HB  140 was  held over  for further                                                               
discussion.                                                                                                                     

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